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wongba · Apr 26, 2007, 02:05 PM // 14:05

i played constantly in fa while i was getting mats for 15k lux. it was a lot of fun. wait was typically minimal. attempted to do jq, but gave up after 10 mins. actually i've had to wait longer for ab matches than fa matches a lot of times.

i think they should have made jq a mirror of fa. then the lux would get to defend and the kurz would invade. the format of base offense and defense is pretty fun.

SotiCoto · Apr 26, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by wongba

i played constantly in fa while i was getting mats for 15k lux. it was a lot of fun. wait was typically minimal. attempted to do jq, but gave up after 10 mins.

I've waited, trying to get into Jade Quarry.... for 14 hours before.
Admittedly I went AFK to do other things for quite some while, but eventually I just figured it wasn't even worth the hassle and gave up. Jade Quarry trips NEED to be pre-arranged.

Terra Xin · Apr 26, 2007, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Jade Quarry... good times...

Now the only real time that area showed popularity was during the Factions PvE preview event. And it showed REAL popularity, none of this "omg I finally got into JQ!!!" stuff. And showed a bit of a populace when PvP characters were first allowed into these areas. It actually surprised me a little when JQ still died out even after this introduction, as a lot of people had asked for that particular update. Oh well.

Other than that, I would have had to have been the biggest fan of JQ when it was alive, it was my favorite map. When numbers started getting to like 3 or 4 in a party waiting to get in (before it completely died out) i used to advertise in FA on both sides to entice players to come over to JQ and play there instead, and I could get like 2 or 3 matches there... but I got tired of having to constantly get people (and those few matches were great, because all the leechers were only in FA)

I've posted in quite a few threads about why JQ is so unpopular and consistently questioning why leeching isn't that much of a concern to anet to take immediate action. But there are more factors attributing to the general dislike of both areas, leeching is just at the guts of it all.

I have an agenda to revitalise JQ whenever such relevant threads come up, so I'll outline the main reasons why JQ is less popular (in no particular order)

~ It's an even playing field, and Luxons don't like that, so they always play in FA (I know this because I hardly lose a battle in JQ whenever I play^^, experience ftw! j/k. Then again, Kurzicks mostly lose in FA...)
~ FA is closer to get to than JQ. On the kurzick side specifically, it's 'easier' to get to FA than JQ. JQ is unpopulated, because once people get to FA, they start playing it, then they start getting into a routine, and before you know it, they have a superior knowledge with playing in FA than they would in JQ.
~ Initially, JQ rewarded less faction than FA, this was later (and lately) fixed so that JQ rewarded more generously. But first impressions last, always.
~ Finally, on the luxon side, you can gain faction faster simply because you can complete the mission faster when the conditions are met. This is also partially true for Kurzicks, if they could buggery learn to run amber more frequently!! *rant*. Unfortunately, this isn't possible for JQ as the time duration is fixed for both sides. That was the biggest deterrent towards playing in JQ.

The current (positive) state of JQ is being influenced by organized matches (not that i've witnessed one being organized, it's just a possibility), assuming you can get one done without a leecher, which isn't too bad to hope against, unlike FA.

I haven't had the chance to get a match together in JQ since... a month before Nightfall was released. That's truly disappointing.

Rusty Deth · Apr 26, 2007, 03:14 PM // 15:14

I still do the Fort.

Most of the people play that one in the afternoons. Jade Quarry is dead cause it isn't fun as the Fort.

Last time I was there was on a double faction weekend. I did the quarry about 12 times and got bored.

But the Fort always satisfies me.

Raaaaa · Apr 26, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

I've been playing FA quite alot recently on both sides as part of the required 10k faction grind in factions and gotta say its great fun, like AB where class doesnt matter too much but less chaotic. The only problem with it, is things seem to be stacked in the luxons favour. If left unchecked my SS necro can take down every NPC quite easily and any other AoE elemmentalist can take down any of the gates and given that you have 2 hardened mobs of turtles and warriors also smashing everything in their path the luxons job is quite easy. But for the kurzicks it seems alot harder, not only do you have hold out against 8 generally good built luxons players and the respawning 2 turtles + entourage but you also have to dedicatedly run amber. Its hard to find a good group that can defend and run given how quickly players respawn. Sure the kurzicks can win, i've seen it happen quite a few times but alot of that times its down to luxon quitters or just an awefully disorganised luxon group, but which again tends to lead to quitters.

I've never onced played JQ, since it appeared to be dead before I even started playing

Series · Apr 26, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

If you want some JQ fun, round up some guildies and have a blast!

Bryant Again · Apr 26, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Fort Aspenwood is easy to get into. But there's only one game running at a time. So you have to wait until a battle is over before you get in.

Jade Quarry is very depressing. It feels like the 20-40 man instances in WoW: A waste of time and effort, and something that many people aren't going to see. Unless there's proper coordination.

Perth68 · Apr 26, 2007, 04:06 PM // 16:06

I still do aspenwood from time to time, it's fun. Its a shame Jade Quarry never has any people, back in the preview event it was probably my favorite thing in factions.I was so excited for it when the game finally came out but it's been deserted since then. I tried for awhile but I gave up a long time ago trying to get in to play again.

brian78wa · Apr 26, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by virtudes rules

also kurzik are so much better at it because their defending

I disagree 100% on this. Its easy to overthrow defenders. Take the mines break the gates. Well of Profane ftw.

brian78wa · Apr 26, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by unbound00

And to those who stopped playing because of leechers, I think you're losing out on it, because surely some matches are completely ruined by that, but the majority of matches goes very well and is a lot of fun.

Disagree. I end up with atleast 1 leecher 95% of the time. Mainly by the same people. Theres 5 certain people that I get every day. It gets to the point to where I just leave the match if theyre in the group cause im not going to waste my time working for them. 1 match I had all 5 of these well known leechers plus 1 other. 6 Leechers ftl.

SotiCoto · Apr 26, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

~ It's an even playing field, and Luxons don't like that, so they always play in FA (I know this because I hardly lose a battle in JQ whenever I play^^, experience ftw! j/k. Then again, Kurzicks mostly lose in FA...)

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Originally Posted by Raaaaa

The only problem with it, is things seem to be stacked in the luxons favour.

... Are you guys for real?! o_0;;

80 to 90% of the time I've played in Fort Aspenwood... the Kurzicks have won.... and that is with my playing on both sides.

... O'course... admittedly when I was playing with my Necro on the Luxon side I was using an active sabotage build to help the Kurzicks win.... healing the gatekeepers and reducing the damage done by the luxon warriors.

But still...
I barely ever see the Luxons win. I like Fort Aspenwood primarily for the fact that the Kurzicks usually win there (in my experience)... ^_^

rohara · Apr 26, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

i used to play at FA every night, but like so many others...i quit due to the leechers.

i wish anet would step it up and hire a few full-time game moderators. honestly, its downright sloppy on their part for making customers the only people who bother to moderate in-game activity. it would take a real person a matter of minutes to spot bot activity at FA/JQ and granite citadel.

Bryant Again · Apr 26, 2007, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by virtudes rules

ive been fort aspenwood to get luxon faction. as my guild kurzik(that how you spell it lol) and i got in there really fast. also kurzik are so much better at it because their defending

Interestingly enough, Kurzicks used to say that Luxons were better at it because they were offensive.

I really have no clue how the victories by both sides are achieved. While I was a Luxon at FA, we won about 9/10 battles. A month or so later, I'm Kurzick, defending, Necro Spiking the turtles, and have only lost one match out of about 20 (watch me jynx that, though).

I think - I think, I'm not assuming - that Luxons may have developed a sort of cockiness when they fight there. A lot of battles I see some guy starting off with "Prepare for a quick and easy death, Kurzicks!", and the Kurz's will end up winning. Just one theory out of many. I have no clue what's going on.

Edit: I guess I should also mention that the leechers on the Kurzick side have been decreasing. And when we do have leechers, we seem to be doing just fine! What's going on?

SotiCoto · Apr 26, 2007, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Interestingly enough, Kurzicks used to say that Luxons were better at it because they were offensive.

I really have no clue how the victories by both sides are achieved. While I was a Luxon at FA, we won about 9/10 battles. A month or so later, I'm Kurzick, defending, Necro Spiking the turtles, and have only lost one match out of about 20 (watch me jynx that, though).

I think - I think, I'm not assuming - that Luxons may have developed a sort of cockiness when they fight there. A lot of battles I see some guy starting off with "Prepare for a quick and easy death, Kurzicks!", and the Kurz's will end up winning. Just one theory out of many. I have no clue what's going on.

Edit: I guess I should also mention that the leechers on the Kurzick side have been decreasing. And when we do have leechers, we seem to be doing just fine! What's going on?

Plus of course my personal contribution to Fort Aspenwood (when I'm there) seems to work a charm. My spirit-spammer Ranger can effectively wipe out 80% of combatants in the fort in a very short space of time, and given that the other Kurzicks respawn a whole lot closer, it is a lot easier for the defending force to keep itself constantly high...
And to think I've had people complain on both sides about my routine (which consists of Fertile Season => Edge of Extinction => Winnowing => Predatory Season => Lacerate)... I guess some people just can't accept that I'm using them as ammunition... but it certainly works!

Bryant Again · Apr 26, 2007, 04:33 PM // 16:33

The Signet of Suffering build I'm using wipes out a turtle in about 10 seconds. So I guess that could be a pretty important contribution.

That, or maybe my shouts of "RUN AMBER YOU *#%#ING #@*&# OR WE LOSE!!!" are somehow working.

Benandorf · Apr 26, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

I don't do either. I used to do Fort Aspenwood some, but AB was better payout for the time, and now no one really seems to care about Factions.

savage vapor 33 · Apr 26, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

I think better rewards will definetly put a small halt on leeching. If you win, a chest will pop up near the gatekeepers for luxons winning, and if Kurzicks win, a chest will pop up where the middle of the kurzick base is. Maybe not even a chest. Could Anet do it, where whoever gets the most kills and so on below them gets a certain amount of gold? For monks whoever stays alive the longest? I'm just wondering.

Winterclaw · Apr 26, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Fort Aspenwood is popular because the two sides play completely different roles: Kurzicks on the defensive and Luxons on the offensive.

This is why I've never done FA (besides the leeching problem I've heard about). Kurzicks are always on the defensive and the only way for them to win is to hold out for 20 minutes. It would be nice if the game randomly choose who is on defense and who is on offense for that mission. Perhaps the kurzicks could be given some juggernuats and have to retake the fort.

Wolf2581 · Apr 26, 2007, 07:21 PM // 19:21

I used to do Fort Aspenwood a lot. Nowadays, it seems like it is overrun with people who care way too little or way too much. That takes the fun out of it.

Zoe Nolinah · Apr 26, 2007, 08:10 PM // 20:10

I still do Aspenwood on the kurzick side from time to time
I agree on the leechers of course.. theres hardly ever a time when its really 8vs8, so its either frustrating or boring
though it still makes fun when enough people play on both sides